This episode is all about the creations children make; from the scrap paper scribbles and colouring-in pages to the 3D box collages. Bonnie and Lily talk about how much we should be keeping, storage options, and ways we can honour our children’s creativity. If you’re feeling guilty about letting go of the handmade gifts from last Mother’s Day, you are not alone!
- Download your Organising Cheat Sheet
- Join the Little Home Organised Community on Facebook
- Learn about the Venn diagram on Dr Justin Coulson’s blog
BONNIE: Hello and welcome! This week we are going to be talking about children’s artwork. We will chat about how much is too much, what to do with those huge box creations and the ways that we can celebrate and honour the creativity our children possess.
LILY: And my, oh my aren’t they talented, our little cherubs the way they smear their fingers in paint.
BONNIE: Oh I just love when they present something to me and go look Mum, look at this, like the other day Miss 4 came and she had literally done some scribbles on some random bits of paper she had cut off and then she had wrapped them in other bits of A4 paper and sticky taped them all together in one big mess and said Mum I made you a present.
LILY: It is so cute, but it is the sweetest thing when you see a child bring you something that they put time and effort and energy into and you can see how proud of themselves they are and they are so desperately looking for your reaction and your approval
LILY: Oh melts your heart, like your eldest the other day wrote I think it was a story, he is in prep and he happened to arrive at our Mum’s house while I was there and he was so excited he selected all the adults out who were going to come down and sit down and listen to his story, but man when I was, because I was leaving as he was arriving and I said I was so sorry I am not going to be able to listen to your story and he was like looking at his face, he was like oh no, you have to hear my story.
BONNIE: He was devastated
LILY: And I was like I want to hear your story, you can tell how excited I was, and I said I promise I will hear your story on the weekend and he was very happy with that answer
BONNIE: That’s okay, I think we have read that story before bed every night for the last week.
LILY: Ah bless, and this is the thing, like when it comes to children’s artwork it is a stamp in time, it shows these different phases that our kids are in, you know when they are in prep or when they are just learning finger painting, when they do that first drawing
BONNIE: As a primary teacher you often miss the stages of development in the early years in like the prep and kindergarten type years, so when they go through the phase of first drawing, it is a scribble, right like you cannot decipher what that is, and then it progresses to eventually things like circles, oh and that’s a person because it has got a circle and 4 sticks, like 2 arms, 2 legs, right and then they progress to drawing more characteristics and so now I have got this preppie who can draw a person with a hand and 5 fingers and eyebrows and you know a nose, mouth, eyes and you know actually drew clothes on top of bodies the other day, so like they really go through this progression which is really cute to see and as a teacher I am really fascinated by how their brain all of a sudden decides, like yep today when we draw this person we are going to put eyebrows on it. And like Miss 4 was drawing these potatoes that were people and then all of a sudden, and they
BONNIE: And like they don’t even have facial features, right like they might have 2 dots for eyes, maybe a mouth but then all of a sudden she is drawing eyebrows on them, where did that come from. That’s amazing
LILY: No hands for functioning but they have got eyebrows
BONNIE: So like maybe we raise our eyebrows a lot or something.
BONNIE: They are like a bit of a thing for her.
BONNIE: But it is really tough when we are talking about artwork because as a parent you get so much that comes in and it can be really difficult to make that decision about what is special enough to get honoured. What is special enough to have lots of words and celebrate with them and what is the stuff that they have really just scribbled something and they are just looking for attention so they give it to you and they expect you to clap like they have won an academy award.
LILY: Well because they have learned that they are getting that reaction from you and of course we want to love on our children and it is natural that they are seeking our approval but you know there definitely has to be that balance
BONNIE: There definitely does
LILY: And I am not advocating for your child coming home and presenting you with a painting which you then turn around and say, “this is terrible, go back and do it again,” that is not what I am saying
BONNIE: No, no!
LILY: Don’t do that
BONNIE: No, no!
LILY: Don’t break their little hearts
BONNIE: No definitely not, but I think it is important to work out, okay there are lots of different types of creations, and there is lots of reasons why those creations are made, and I call them the creations because then it doesn’t matter if it is technically an artwork piece or if it is a book like Mr 5 did the other week. Creations are something that they have created whether it is a box creation, out of all your old cereal boxes, whether it is scribbles on a piece of paper, whether they have done colouring in or they have done collage or they have done a big painting for you, like all of these things come under that one banner of creations
LILY: Children’s artwork
BONNIE: Yeah, yeah absolutely and they come into your house in lots of different ways so if you have got a kid in school they will come in from school, especially I find in the early years, I have got one in Kindy and one in Prep and there is just so much coming in, like it is, yeah it is a wave
LILY: Birthday parties are also like at a new high standard where you go to birthday party as a small child and it is no longer just playing in the backyard, like people are doing those creative parties where you like create someone and so those things come home to.
BONNIE: Yes and everything time you go to a playgroup or a music group, like especially around certain events, so when it is like mother’s day, father’s day Christmas um oh my goodness
LILY: Lots of stuff comes in
BONNIE: So this mother’s day for example, which is May in Australia, um my husband was working away in rural Queensland and so he was very apologetic that he was not going to be there for mother’s day and I went and bought myself a mother’s day card with my 5 year old and said like look those are the cards, go and pick one. I won’t look sort of thing and so he picked a card and he was very, so proud as punch to be the oldest kid and to get
LILY: Getting to choose
BONNIE: Like being responsible
LILY: Taking charge
BONNIE: He loves that, so he had this card and you know a couple of days before mothers day I was like, have you guys like drawn on the card or whatever yet? And he is like oh no we have got to do that tonight, so they did some stuff on the card and he hid it and he hidden it with other things that were coming in through the week, so when it actually came time to mother’s day open all the presents and things like that there was the card that we had bought together, there was a card from Kindy, there was a card from school, there was a card from one grandmother and there was a card from the other grandmother and then there was maybe 2 from one of the grandmothers and it was like ‘oh, why did I even bother taking you to go and get this extra card because you have actually just done 6 cards for me anyway’.
LILY: Because we need to celebrate mothers Bonnie, that’s why
BONNIE: Oh yes, oh yes of course
LILY: But yeah the point is they
BONNIE: There is so much
LILY: Yeah there is so much stuff and especially when they are very young, it comes you know
LILY: You want this stuff
BONNIE: And I would be the first to admit that I did not keep every single card
BONNIE: I made a decision I looked at quality versus quantity and I looked at some of those cards and I thought
LILY: OK just to clarify you are not meaning a rating system of the quality of the artwork that was provided, is that what you are saying
BONNIE: Oh yeah like I give them a score with a red pen and say this is a good… no I am joking. I am so joking, you know
LILY: This doesn’t actually look like a person – that one is going in the bin
BONNIE: Oh that would be so awful. Do you know my kids have this thing at the moment when they are jumping on the trampoline and the eldest goes, ‘Mum give us a number!’ and what he is really wanting is for us to judge them when they do their little flips and tricks and things. My husband does it so well, because he stands there and he is like, “and he has just done a flipsy-topsy-turvey and it is a 7 out of 10!” and the kids are like “Yeah, this is amazing!” So, no, I do not do that for my children’s artwork.
LILY: Glad we got that cleared.
BONNIE: Yeah no, no that is not the way but I do look at like the 6 cards and think well I know that you did that one and you have put no effort into that
LILY: Because I know you
BONNIE: Because I know you and I know that you have actually put a lot of effort into this one
LILY: And that’s the one you are proud of the most
BONNIE: Yeah, Yeah so like in prep he is learning to read and write obviously and so over the last term in particular his writing is just gangbusters and that is why he has got this book, because he is working out how to spell words and he knows all the letters and like it is so cool just seeing him start to learn to write, so I kept the card that he had written in and he had written I love you so much and you know all that sort of lovey dovey mushy stuff. So that is where quality over quantity has to come in because
LILY: You can’t keep everything
BONNIE: You can’t, like physically if we kept everything that we had ever created in our life we would have no living space
BONNIE: We would be shoving aside scribbles from primary school to sit on our couch or to eat dinner, like it is just not possible, so if everything is special then nothing is special
BONNIE: That is why you have to make a decision about what’s the most important piece, what’s meant the most, what’s taken the most time to do, what’s had the most effort, all of those kinds of things. And a question a lot of people ask me is how much is too much, how much do I keep, how do I decide and that’s where the first thing I will always say is look get your kids to decide, because they need to flex and practice using those decluttering muscles and our kids actually need to learn that not everything we made was amazing
BONNIE: Not everything
BONNIE: I know it is so controversial
LILY: I’m sorry my child isn’t the best all the time
BONNIE: No, I am really sorry, they aren’t.
LILY: It’s like the participate award conversation, isn’t it.
BONNIE: Don’t get me started
LILY: Ok I won’t, alright, back to artwork then.
BONNIE: As a teacher those participant awards are so frustrating because it is like know everybody needs to be celebrated for the things that they do well at and we don’t need to fluff up the things that we are not particularly good at because that gives them a false sense of self.
LILY: Yeah it is a fine line, it is a fine line of catching those people who aren’t getting the praise because they are not excelling
LILY: But it is just blanketing it every time in every situation in sport, in academics in everything then that’s when for sure a problem
BONNIE: Yes. I think going back to what you said about catching the people who are not excelling we need to as teachers and educators find what it is that that child excels in and we need to encourage
BONNIE: and support them in that and that’s why a lot of mainstream schooling can be difficult for kids who don’t fit into that you know classic mould, whatever that classic mould is.
BONNIE: And thankfully a lot of schools and a lot of countries are really embracing the fact that ‘hey everybody learns differently and we are going to celebrate the fact that you are amazing at doing this, and you are amazing at doing this and you’re amazing at doing this and we are going to meet you where you are at rather than expecting you to meet us where we are presenting’. Like if you think about teaching 100 years ago kids got caned because they had ADHD
BONNIE: because they couldn’t sit still
LILY: And now we have systems in place to help that child thrive.
BONNIE: Yeah, yeah so we are always continually evolving and learning and progressing as a society and I think that that’s really important in terms of making sure that our kids feel encouraged appropriately and um yeah don’t have that inflated sense of self because if you as a parent are like ‘you are amazing all of the time’, and then they get out into a classroom or into a job where you know there is a bit of reality check coming that is actually going to be far more damaging to them.
LILY: I don’t remember who sang it, it was a song that we use to listen to when we were kids and it was like encourage one another and build each other up, don’t tear each other down, or something like that
BONNIE: The Donut Man.
LILY: Is it the Donut Man?
BONNIE: That is The Donut Man
LILY: Ah The Donut Man, what a classic.
LILY: But yeah you do want to be encouraging your children but again
BONNIE: That was great singing by the way
LILY: Oh thanks just slid that in there. You do want to be encouraging your kids but you don’t want to be giving them that false sense because you are doing it mindlessly, you know that saying that you said before is so true, that if everything is special nothing is special
BONNIE: Definitely. So, what are some strategies for how to decide what is special? Well one of them I think we have talked about before is the quality versus the quantity. So something that I will do, is I will look at say a bunch of artwork that gets made together and I will ask my child okay what is the one piece that you are really proud of, that you really love and they will say oh this one and we put that on the fridge, so that is the way that we honour that particular piece of artwork. It has it’s hall of fame on the fridge and um we have got boundaries and we talk about boundaries a lot because they are really important
BONNIE: So our boundary for our hall of fame on the fridge is that every kid can have one piece of artwork up there at a time. So when they create a new one we will go through that decision making process. Okay is this one more special than the one that is on the fridge? What are we going to do with the one on the fridge, and my kids now know the system well enough that they can say ‘yeah the one on the fridge it is time to say goodbye to that’ and they know that is going into the recycling and they are totally fine with that. But if it is one that was really special and they spent a lot of time on it, they will say ‘oh can we put it in my memory box?’ We have a physical memory box as well as a digital memory box. So if it is special to me and I think ‘yeah I think you spent a lot of time on this.’ Like this book that Mr 5 has made I am going to scan that in and put it into his digital memory box because I think that is a real milestone.
BONNIE: But right now he is enjoying playing with it, reading it daily and all of that sort of stuff. So when he is finished with that we will probably put it in his physical memory box as well. So that down the track I know that I have got it digitally but he gets to still enjoy it as a physical thing as well and so my kids know, this one is special, it can have its 15 minutes of fame on the fridge, the other one yep where is it going, it is going into the recycling or it is going into the memory box and so my kids know the system and that, that’s the hardest thing I think is setting up that system from scratch and then it is a lot easier to maintain afterwards.
LILY: Yes and that is what we talk about a lot is the setting up of the system can be the roadblock, but once the system is in place maintaining it is so much easier.
BONNIE: So there is another thing I want to talk about very briefly, when it comes time to getting the kids to decide, how do we get them to decide because a lot of parents really feel like we have got to let our kids decide everything we can’t take that autonomy away from them but there is this great Venn diagram, I think it is Peter Cook who did it and Dr Justin Coulson puts this on his website. I just love it because it is 2 circles they have got an overlapping bit in the middle and one circle says kids decisions, one circle says parents’ decisions and then the overlapping bits are the decisions that get made together. As parents especially in terms of organising, there are some decisions that we as parents need to make and that’s sometimes a safety thing, like I am deciding that you are not allowed to come near me while I am cooking on the stove because it is dangerous for you right where as if it was up to the kids, they would be right there in it because they don’t know the safety and the risks associated, correct? But as they get older we start to give them a bit more autonomy over decisions so when they are older we might say, ‘okay you can decide what you want to wear today’, or ‘this is a decision we are going to make together’ – it might be something to do with how their room or their desk gets set up or something like that. So when we are getting our kids to decide what artwork they are keeping or what artwork they are letting go of, if they decide oh I want to keep it all, that’s when we as their parents then say okay the boundary is this, you can keep one item on the fridge, the rest of them you have finished with they either need to go for you to say goodbye to now or you can enjoy playing with them around your room for a day or a couple of days or something like that
BONNIE: So if my kids resist the boundaries and the systems that we have got in place in that exact situation I will literally say to them okay this one is on the fridge, you have obviously picked that, it’s your favourite, these ones that you have made you can have until Sunday night to have them, so they have got like 3 days to play with them. You know what? They don’t even play with them anyway but it is just about helping them feel like they have got a bit of power and a bit of control. It is the negotiation.
LILY: Yes and I can totally agree with this. I obviously can’t personally relate to children’s artwork because I am not at the phase of my life yet in the sense that I haven’t had a conversation with child in my fridge, however when I was working with children over in America and in New Zealand one of the most important things you can do is you can help a child feel empowered when making decisions. So let’s say it was a disciplinary thing or giving them options, helping children feel like they have a say is important but you can do it within the safe boundaries of being the parent or being the adult. So you say, ‘well these are our options, you can chose to do this or you can choose to do this. What would you like to do?’ and then that child can think about it and they can make a decision. You have actually provided the boundary and the way to keep it safe and you directed it, but then they can start to have a little bit of – as you say power, they can say to myself, ‘oh well this is what I want to do and even though I am not pleased about the whole idea of it, at least I have got something to say in it’.
BONNIE: That’s very true, there is a really great article by Dr Justin Coulson on his website that is called Kids Need Us To Set Limits and it talks all about limits and boundaries – that is where you will find that Venn diagram so we will put a link to that in the show notes because I think that is going to be really beneficial for a lot of parents.
LILY: And if you are wanting to get started at home today and get organised we do have a freebie for you, it is called our organising cheat sheet. Just head to our website littlehomeorganised.com.au/organisingcheatsheet. And that cheat sheet is amazing because it is just something that is really simple but you can apply it to any room in your house so if you want to start getting organised, go check it out.
BONNIE: We are going to take a quick break for this week’s clutter confession, but when we come back we will talk about what to do storage-wise for children’s artwork and how to set up a simple system that makes honouring and storing artwork smooth and easy.
ANONYMOUS CALLER 1:
Hey guys I have a little confession to make about some clutter, so I have had this laptop since I was in like high school and it is broken and it just sits there and I keep telling myself oh I am going to get it repaired and go through the pictures that are on there and pull out the information that is on there but I never do.
LILY: So I actually haven’t done a clutter confession yet
BONNIE: No, you haven’t,
LILY: Because I can’t think of something but I can actually relate to this because I have an old laptop and I can’t even tell you if there is anything on it that is of value and maybe that is why I haven’t gotten rid of it.
BONNIE: It’s the unknown
LILY: Yeah, I have just totally forgotten about it, and hearing that has just reminded me that I have a laptop that is just broken just sitting there. I don’t even think it turns on and I haven’t gotten rid of it. Maybe it’s that roadblock of not knowing how to get rid of e-waste. What is something you can recommend for e-waste in Australia?
BONNIE: So we have an e-waste bin here at the office because that exact problem, heaps of people have got no idea. They want to dispose of it responsibly.
LILY: And that’s the thing, it is coming from a good place
BONNIE: Yes and also there is the sensitive data thing as well for a lot of phones and laptops and stuff, especially if they have broken and you haven’t been able to reset them
LILY: Yeah retrieve your things off them
BONNIE: Yeah, beforehand. There is plenty of computer technicians who will be able to help you retrieve or look for the stuff on your laptop if you feel like there is stuff on there but in terms of e-waste and recycling just do a Google search. Like we use an organisation that is called Substation 33 and they are based in the south of Brisbane and they are amazing because they do like return to work programs for people on the dole, to up skill them and all kind of stuff. So they just have this big bin that they drop off at our house and we fill it with printers and vacuum cleaners and kids remote controlled cars and cords – anything that has a battery or a plug goes in there and then they just come and replace it with a new one, whenever it gets full.
LILY: There you go! So if you are in Brisbane there are some really good options there for you but if you are not just jump on Google and just check out your local place for sure.
LILY: All right, so children’s artwork lets talk about setting up a system. I have got all of this artwork and I want to know what to do going forward.
BONNIE: So the most important thing that you can do is celebrate the effort, that’s your first step because kids need positive reinforcement.
LILY: Positive affirmation is so important, you can not give it to them enough
BONNIE: But is has to be appropriate and that is where what we talked about before with that inflated sense of self comes into it
BONNIE: So if they have come home, like with this book that Mr 5 has made for example, we gave so much encouragement about it and every grandparent or parent that he has shown it to has also affirmed him so he is like really buoyed up on this encouragement.
BONNIE: You know the fact that we are reading it together as a family before bedtime, like it is really just affirming that he has done a really cool thing and it is really cool because I didn’t say to do it, I didn’t suggest to do it, he just literally was there one day tracing one of his cars onto a piece of paper and then he decided I am going to make this into a book because he was doing it to a few different cars. And, you know it is Prep, it is not going to win a literary award or anything like that but like it is a really cool thing that he has done. So I think honouring and celebrating with them that creation that they have done, so when you are picking up from kindy or from school and they have gone ‘oh, mum look, dad, look I have made this today!’ Like ‘oh yeah that’s great so me, tell me about this?’ Do you know yesterday when I picked up Miss 4 from kindy we were walking past a line of parents who are waiting outside to pick up their kids (1.5 metres apart because we are social distancing) and she had these 2 paintings and I said, ‘oh what’s this painting?’ as we were walking past, and she said, “that’s daddy pooing on the roof.”
BONNIE: I was like, ‘Are you serious?!?’ and I have got home and told my husband and he asked, ‘did she tell the kindy teachers?’ and I was like I don’t think so..
LILY: No, just all the parents picking up their children.
BONNIE: Just all the parents and he was like ‘oh my goodness’ and she had done the picture of him in like poo brown colour too. So it was like it is definitely poo, right?
LILY: I am curious as to why she would be imagining her father you know doing his business on the roof, but kids man
BONNIE: Honestly she is so funny, there was a picture she drew weeks and weeks ago, that was our whole family and then all of a sudden there was a rock, she was like yes there’s a rock. I am like ‘you have just drawn a picture of us 5 plus our dog and you have included a rock?’
LILY: Does she have a pet rock you don’t know about?
BONNIE: Actually a few years ago they made something at playgroup that had the fake eyes on it and because we have got a rock garden it is in there somewhere. The eyes are no longer on it.
LILY: There you go, the mystery has been solved
BONNIE: Yeah it must be, man they are so clever, they remember stuff, hey.
LILY: So we talk about setting up a system. You want to celebrate their effort and then as you mentioned you honour it so put is some where creative, like a hall of fame but be diligent about what goes into the hall the of fame.
BONNIE: Yes and where you set it up. So you don’t want bluetac artwork all across your kids walls because it will eventually pull the paint off. So use something like the fridge or you can use a pants coat hanger to hang up your artwork and just hang it on a hook on the wall, or you can do like a magnet board or a pin board or just have a designated space where it is like this is your hall of fame
LILY: Yeah I love the idea of calling it the hall of fame too because it really does make it special and if you do like the pants hanger thing so you have four children and have 4 hooks and you have four hangers it is like what am I hanging up on the wall of fame for me this week. You know as opposed to, oh 10 things have been hung up for me, they are all clipped together up there and I can’t even tell what is special anymore but when you make like that one item or you know those 2 artworks of whatever you decide to do in your household it really does make it special and it really does honour the creation
BONNIE: Yeah and then once the 15 minutes of fame are up, what happens to it? Do we say goodbye to it. You know it is really good for our kids to learn that we say goodbye to things, that there is a beginning and an end that things don’t last forever because they don’t
LILY: And it is not that you don’t love them any less or appreciate them any less it is about making space for the new.
BONNIE: That is exactly right because when we hold onto everything from the past there is no space for anything new to come in. So where does stuff go? Does it move into a memory box whether that is physical or digital or do we recycle it? Is it something that can be repurposed in some other way?
LILY: So here is an interesting question? Some of you may have kids at home at the moment who are currently working on artwork’s in the house and they aren’t finished so you might be thinking well what am I going to do with this stuff? Well I would say first things first is with anything and when we are trying to get more organised in our house we need to create zones and boundaries to limit the amount of stuff.
BONNIE: Hmmm definitely and the system we use at home here for stuff that is unfinished is we have an A4 clip folder – it is just one of those A4 document holders but it is like a thick plastic and it is probably like 1cm thick. So you just literally open it up shove stuff, papers in there and then close it up again and these are great for a variety of things actually, they are really good for storing like Lego books and stuff in if you want to have like a whole catalogue of your Lego books. But we just use one of those because we are fairly minimal.
LILY: We will post a photo as well on our Facebook page so you can see visually if you are not quite sure what that looks like.
BONNIE: What we have in there is we have 3 different things. We have our stickers, we have our new colouring pages that we haven’t started yet and we have our unfinished stuff in there and we can fit all 3 types into that one type of folder because there is not a huge amount of each. So it just means that when it is quiet time this is all inside the quiet drawer, the kids can come grab this folder out, they can grab their stickers out, they can grab the colouring pages that they have maybe started or not finished and they can just get to work. So that works really well for us to keep that unfinished stuff but for someone else who maybe has a kid that is producing a lot of artwork you might need an in-tray. You might need like one of those A4 boxes that they can put a bunch of unfinished artwork projects into.
LILY: But then again keep in mind your zone and your boundary. Our houses have only got so much space and so if you keep expanding and expanding out and not putting in a limitation or a boundary on these things then you are going to end up having a cluttered space.
BONNIE: Yeah exactly. So if getting organised is something that you are really ready to do we have got an organising cheat sheet for you go to littlehomeorganised.com.au/organisingcheatsheet it is our 5 steps that we use to organise any and every space in the home and children’s artwork is one of them.
LILY: So we have talked about the artwork coming into our homes and some of the strategies that we can use to manage it. So what is going to be our Tidy Task for this week Bon?
BONNIE: Oh I love a good tidy task. Okay so basically for the tidy task this week I would like you to go and set up your system for your children’s artwork. So decide, am I going to do something like the fridge for the Hall of Fame, are we going to do a coat hanger or a magnet board or a pin board. Are we going to do it in each room? Are we going to do it in the command centre? Work out where the hall of fame is going to go and then work out how it is going to go after that. So is it a memory box that you are going to use for the really special stuff, are you going to go digital? Are you just going to recycle everything? Are you going to use something like an expander file so that you can keep those really special ones per year and say ‘okay in 2020 these are the 6-10 pieces of painting or creations that were done by this particular child’ and here is your expander file when you move out of all of the artwork back over your life. Are you going to take a photo of them so that you can create a photo book? Just work out what the system is that you are going use.
LILY: And if you decide, yes I am going to do it, I am going to get started we would love to see what you do end up doing so share it in our Facebook group. It is the Little Home Organised Community. There is just a bunch of lovely people in there and you can share what you are doing, your before and after’s, your work in progress. We would love to see what you decide to do.
And that is it for this week’s episode. So we just really want to thank you guys so much. We are getting some lovely ratings and reviews on Apple Podcast and we so appreciate it. We read every single one of them and you truly make our day but we just want to say from the bottom of our hearts thank you so much for listening and choosing to have us in your ears.
BONNIE: And remember progress, not perfection!
LILY: See you later
We would love to see the conversation continue, head over to the Little Home Organised Community group on Facebook, ask questions, find motivation and share your before and afters, and if you enjoyed the show please help us going by hitting subscribe on Apple Podcast, Spotify or where ever you listen. It is free and ensures you do not miss and episode but if you really want to share the love leave us a rating and review. Trust me it makes all the difference in the world.