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The Magic Number

What is your magic number? How many towels does a person really need? Should you keep those mugs, shoes, and bags just in case? Bonnie and Lily will teach you how to figure out your magic number to help you say goodbye to ‘abundance clutter’.

 

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BONNIE: Hello and welcome. I am Bonnie.

LILY: I am Lily, and this is Little Home Organised, the Podcast dedicated to helping you declutter, get organised and reclaim time for the things you love. 

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BONNIE: Hello and welcome, this week we are talking about the magic number, we will chat about how exactly you can work out the magic number to keep your clutter in check. 

LILY: Oh it is amazing because when I think of it like the magic number I imagine there is this mystical equation that you can put in all the numbers

BONNIE: A genie with a wand

LILY: But I think it is because I am doing so much stats revision at the moment

BONNIE: Ohhhh

LILY: So, I am like oh x = y + b – a, that is not an equation or maybe it is who knows, but

BONNIE: It is I remember that from high school

LILY: Oh really

BONNIE: Yeah

LILY: A+B = C and all those different fun things, but the magic number, it is magic for a reason because it is unique to each of us but it is not actually a magical equation is it. 

BONNIE: No so it is not actually about finding yeah this equation and putting in things that apply to you personally and then pop out comes your magic genie number, no the magic number is more about a strategy.  So it’s a strategy that you can use to help you without emotion work out what is the basic number of things that you need.  So what is comes down to essentially is say you had to start fresh again and you needed to buy new clothes, new towels, new cups, mugs, plates all that kind of stuff, what is the minimum number, the magic number that you would need to buy to be able to get through and we always use towels as a really good example because we use towels everyday and everybody is so different, I always find this really interesting but if you had to buy towels again for your family how may towels would you need to buy

LILY: This is the question though isn’t it, like when people are decluttering and they look at their linen cupboard and they see that they have a bunch of towels, a bunch of sheets or whatever it might be, they look at it all and they think useful, towels are useful, sheets are useful, oh I might need it for this, oh and for this and for this and it is like how many do I realistically need, maybe I am trying to be a minimalist and I want to really whittle down my amounts for I have only got the bare essentials and you know a few just in case items and you know I am all good to go. Maybe I am going to be going on a big trip in a caravan and never living in a big house again and I really need to whittle things down or whatever it might be this idea of asking the question about what my magic number is when it comes to towels is an important one because it helps us really evaluate the clutter that we may have in a cupboard and the decision making that we make around wanting to hang onto to something

BONNIE: And I think the reason that the magic number is so effective as a strategy because when we have say that stack of towels and we might have like 25 of them, we look through and we go this one feels really nice, oh I love the colour of this one, oh this one was so expensive, we have like these emotional kind of connections to them whereas if it is pre looking at the towels we know that there are too many towels, the cupboard is overflowing, we can’t keep them all, there is always this huge backlog of washing because it all gets bottlenecked, the magic number is this strategy that we can use that basically goes okay there are 4 people in my family, we need one towel each, we like to wash our towels once a week, we might like to have one towel each and then one in the wash as a spare, so our magic number of towels is 8

LILY: Maths

BONNIE: It is maths, and it is basic and it is really simple, but say for example you have actually got a couple of beds that you use for guests sometimes and maybe you can have 4 guests, you might say okay well our magic number for our family is 8 but I am going to keep 4 guest towels as well so your new magic number is 12, so that means when you go to the cupboard to look at that linen, instead of going oh I love this one, oh I love this one, oh I love this one, you can say 12 right, I want 12 towels, what are the 12 best towels,  what are the 4 nice guest towels that I want to keep aside just for the guests, and what are the 8 towels that I want to keep for my family. 

LILY: Now these rules are really important and they are great because they help us establish boundaries

BONNIE: Boundaries are good

LILY: Boundaries are key we need them everywhere but especially in our homes when it comes to physical boundaries or space.  So when you open up that cupboard in the kitchen and you look at all the mugs or the teacups of whatever it is that you are looking at and you think wow this space is overwhelming and I have to you know like bring a whole stack out and unstack them to get the one that I want and you know like, you are teetering things up on top of each other and you know it is not functional, a system a strategy that you can use is the magic number, because it can help you firstly before you even get in there and want to purge and whatever you think you are going to do, you actually systematically think okay, what is it that I need, what is it that I actually need regardless of emotional attachment and then I am going to open that cupboard

BONNIE: And it is such a logical step to take, it is such a logical strategy and it doesn’t let emotions get in the way and I will give you a caveat because there have been plenty of clients who have said oh my magic number is 8 and we get through and we pick the 8 but they have still go maybe 2 other towels for example, oh I still really like these can I have 10 and I go of course we can have 10, just because you said 8 before doesn’t mean that we cant be flexible and compromise on 10. Like you had 25 towels and now you are down to 10.  I think we are winning. 

LILY: Yeah we are making you know we are making steps in the right direction and it almost sounds like progress and not perfection

BONNIE: That’s, that’s a really good mantra

LILY: We should really incorporate that in our show

BONNIE: We should use that

LILY: But yeah it is just another strategy you guys can use, it is something that if you haven’t considered and you are feeling like you want another tool in your tool kit the magic number is something that can really help you.  So there are heaps of different ways that you can go about implementing it but with all things you really do need to make a plan ahead of time, now you have sparked a thought in me Bonnie, so lets say for example, lets go back to mugs, and lets say you open that cupboard and you have already decided what your magic number and that the magic number for your family is 8, and you open it up and you see that you have got 24 mugs in there and you get your 8 out and then you start going oh that one is really special that is from this memory or that one I got made by a potter over in North Carolina when I was working over there and I miss all my friends, um you know potentially that has happened to you, anyone else? No

BONNIE: No emotional issues here whatsoever.

LILY: No just me, I have a bunch of beautiful pottery mugs I just love them so much

BONNIE: You do, they are very nice

LILY: They are sentimental but they are also functional and I drink out of them and I have a favourite so I don’t really drink out of the other ones, confessions but

BONNIE: Which is the favourite. 

LILY: The favourite is actually one from New Zealand, it is just like really nice mouth feel, that is really important in a mug isn’t it

BONNIE: Is that a word? Mouth feel

LILY: Oh yeah mouth feel

BONNIE: All the OTs right now are going noooooo

LILY: No all the OTs are going oh yes, but we have a technical word for that

BONNIE: Yes, send it through to us, educate us please

LILY: But it is easy um when we open things up we might have like sentimental attachments and they can be a bit of a barrier when we are going through with out magic number so lets say you have your magic number as I said is 8 and you have got the 24 mugs you may then have a look at these other mugs and think ok I am noticing that even though I have picked this magic number and I know that is practical for my family and I know that this space isn’t working for me, I need to do something with these few sentimental mugs. So, what you could do is pencil holders around the house, that is a good one,

BONNIE: Yep or you can use them as pots, so little cactuses, cacti

LILY: plural of plants, yep you could do things like that with those, you can get creative and then potentially you have got ones that are so special that you like don’t even drink out of them and then they go in your memory box

BONNIE: Or they go in your display cabinet if you still have that, but the other thing that you sparked a thought in me with what you were just saying, I have had this situation before where a client has been going through and she used the magic number to pick her towels but then she still had like you know quite a few sets of nice towels that she had bought that hadn’t really being used and they were still in like excellent condition and she wasn’t ready to let them go because she is not in a financial position anymore that when these other ones run out she would need more, and so I said to her ok that’s fine what we will do is you pick a couple of the extra nice ones, I think there might have been 6 or 8 extra ones and we will stick them a plastic tub and put them in the garage and seal the tub up nice and tight so that nothing happens to it, you know no air gets in or whatever and that way when you go through your towels and they start getting a bit ratty and whatever instead of needing to go to the shops to fork out and buy new ones you just come and shop downstairs from your garage and she was like that is awesome, that is such a great way that I am not wasting the money I have already spent

LILY: Out of your prime real estate

BONNIE: Yeah

LILY: And still shopping at home

BONNIE: Yes but she is feeling like she is not actually just contributing to the waste problem that we have in this world, so that was a good solution and you can do that to

LILY: And there is always going to be exceptions to the rules so like anything in life it is not black and white, you know with that example you were using before Bon, it is not oh I can only have 10 or I can only have 8, it is like no if you need to have a few extras be flexible but also boundaries are important so if we push all the boundaries are we really going to be resolving that issue of clutter that we have in that cupboard or in that space so it is a bit of balance we have got to make sure that we stick to our guns but be flexible and reasonable as well, so for example lets say your tackling your linen cupboard and you notice you have a bunch of towels and you are someone who goes camping a lot and you don’t like to take good towels camping

BONNIE: Yes this is a really good point and we have this in our camping kit, we have some old towels that people, not old but like towels that didn’t match we didn’t really like, when we actually went through and invested in towels that, we coloured coded our towels I will have you know cause I have 3 children, 4th on the way so we went through and we specifically went okay here is a colour for each of you and now I know when there is a pink towel on the floor it is my daughter that has left that pink towel on the floor and I don’t have to walk around and go who left the towel on the floor and then have a bunch of kids go, he did it, she did it, like I know exactly who has done it, so when we went and made that investment and got towels that colour coded for the kids, matched for us, we had a bunch of these random old towels that were still fine, were still good, they didn’t need to be dog towels or anything like that so we went ok we will put them in the camping kit, so now we have these towels, one each in the camping kit ready to go. 

LILY: Perfect and so that is something you need to consider when you are doing your number as well and like when you were using the example before Bon of the guests, the guests that come to stay, so there are these situations that we need to think about, what do we need everyday for my family and then you know kind of one just in case that would be

BONNIE: One in use, one in the wash is a really good I guess mantra to have and the other thing to think about when we are talking about towels in particular is do you have any clean up towels? Do you have doggy type towels were if the dog needs to come in and sleep in the laundry because there is a thunder storm happening

LILY: Or go to the vet

BONNIE: Or go to the vet, or the dishwasher leaks, or the washing machine overflows do you have a couple of towels that can actually help in that situation to mop up the mess, how many do you actually need for that because quite often when our towels get older and bit ratty we just go and stick them in a cleaning cupboard and then all of a sudden our cleaning towels are overflowing and we don’t need 10 of them but maybe a couple of them would actually be really handy

LILY: It is like the bag of rags, yeah rags are really useful but where is the limit? So with all these things we come up with a magic number because it helps us make a decision and decision-making is hard. Actually on that note we should mention we have created a new decision making tree

BONNIE: Yes

LILY: It is our latest freebee because we are constantly thinking of ways that we can help you in your decluttering process at home and trying to get organised and we are looking at the common barriers that you face and trying to help you overcome them and so one of the things that has come back to us over the last couple of months is that people get really and you have seen this for years Bon, people get really stuck with making a decision, so they will have the item in front of them and they are just thinking ah I am just no 100% sure, so we have got something to help you, so what it is, it is a decision making tree and lets take a antique clock and you will hold that antique clock up and then you will look at the decision making tree and it will ask you a question, the first one is do you need it, use it or love it? And then depending on your answer it will send you down different branches of the tree and you follow all the way until it gets to a recommended suggestion for what you do with that item. 

BONNIE: Mmmmmm

LILY: Yeah, and we found it to be really handy, we have had some really good feedback about it, and it is designed to help you make those decisions because sometimes we just get stuck. 

BONNIE: We do

LILY: And we need to get out of our own head

BONNIE: Yeah we need something that is just a little bit logical like the magic number to help us make those decisions.  So how do people get it?

LILY: So you can just head to our website and also I will throw it in the show notes as well.

BONNIE: I think it is time for a listener’s question?

YOU HAVE GOT MAIL:  So we are starting a new segment on the show and it is the opportunity for you to message in, you can leave an audio message or just flick it through as a text on any of our social media platforms, feel free to send us an email and all we want to hear from you is a question about something that has got you stumped in your own house.  So a decluttering dilemma, an organising, what starts with O Bonnie? Organising oomph?

BONNIE: Organising ostrich, I don’t know, I don’t know

LILY: Something that has got you in a bit of a pickle in your house and so the first question that has been sent in is from Jodie in Brisbane Australia, and Jodie says: I have been handed a large number of doilies from my grandmother, I don’t use them or feel overly attached to them but I am struggling to make a decision on what to do with them, what should I do?

BONNIE: Oh the doilies are a really tough one because people don’t make things like that anymore, like it use to be such a skill to be able to crochet to doilies things like we just don’t do that sort of hand, that craftsmanship so much any more and there is that emotional attachment of like, it is from my grandmother, it is sentimental, but on the flip side I am not using them

LILY: So potentially like if you like the look of them and you could use them, could you put them under some like a fruit bowl

BONNIE: Under your plants

LILY: Under your plants, especially if you have as many as I do, you would use all those doilies up, 

BONNIE: You could and I have seen people do doilies on the outside of like reusable shopping bags, I mean if you search on line there is a lot of ideas and if you have got a particular idea that you have used for your doilies or your crochet blankets or baby gowns

LILY: Send it in

BONNIE: Send it in to us so that we can share it, so Jodie can see these are the options if you do want to keep a couple of them and what you can actually do with them so that they are being honoured and not just stored away. 

LILY: Yes and so you can head to pinterest check out all these ideas but Jodie if you find that you are ready to let go of them of course go ahead and donate them and potentially you keep one or two of your favourite ones and you pop them somewhere where you keep your sentimental things so that you hold that piece of your grandmother but you can also reclaim that space back in your cupboard. 

BONNIE: Because we could all do with a little more space couldn’t we. 

LILY: We could, on that note you are sitting way too close to me Bonnie, 1.5m

BONNIE: Personal space, I think I am as far over as I can go

LILY: So if you have got a question we would love to hear it, send it in to the podcast and we will answer it on an upcoming episode. 

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BONNIE: Ok so are talking about the magic number and how it can apply, lets maybe go through each of the rooms in the house and give some examples of how it can apply  

LILY: Yes some practical solutions, so we have focused a lot on towels because that is big one, so I would say I like the rule of 1 to be in use, and 1 for the wash but potentially if you are someone who has like a really strict washing routine, you don’t even need that extra one

BONNIE: I actually once a few years ago did this workshop at a seniors centre and this lady, and I was talking about this exact scenario, the magic number towels, one in use, one in the wash like that means you need 2, blah blah blah blah and she put her hand up and she said what if you use a fresh one every day and I was

LILY: What a life of luxury

BONNIE: I was like okay well lets explore that and so I said you know how many people feel like they are in the same boat using one a day and all these oldies so gorgeous they turned around and they were like no way that is way too much washing and I thought yeah you are right on the money, that is a lot of washing,

LILY: That is a lot of washing, but isn’t funny we have these like these little things that bring us joy and you know potentially for her it is a freshly washed towel on her face but also they harbour bacteria and that is gross so, you should be washing things very regularly, so that should be something to consider in your magic number as well

BONNIE:   But the other thing to consider and why I feel like you only need to wash them once a week, actually I am pretty sure before kids I only washed towels once a fortnight but maybe that has changed since then.  When you use a towel, you are clean, you are just literally drying off and if you hang it straight back up somewhere where it is actually going to get proper airing

LILY: Yeah aerated

BONNIE: And it dries really quickly then there isn’t necessarily  this need because when we use like little hooks and stuff and it is only hanging off a single hook and it takes a while for it to air out and to dry well then yeah or course we want to wash them a little bit more often but that is why it is so important to invest in proper fixtures and fittings in your bathrooms because when your towel has its own railing to be able to dry on properly it does save you washing in the long run. 

LILY: Bonnie I am in the linen cupboard I am looking at my sheets how many do I need?

BONNIE: This is definitely a personal question I have to admit, we actually only operate off one set of sheets

LILY: Yes we talked about this in a previous episode

BONNIE: Yeah

LILY: You grot, but for the average person what do you recommend

BONNIE: How is that grotty it is not like we only wash them once a year

LILY: To be fair I think we are in a similar boat I think we just have our summer and our winter sheets

BONNIE: So just accused me of being a grot and you are just the same.  

LILY: Oh I don’t deny I am a grot

BONNIE: Yeah I would agree with that, but the reason that one set of sheets actually works so well is I don’t love folding sheets, so what we do is we wash them on a day once a week where it is going to be breezy

LILY: Done

BONNIE: And hot and we wash them straight away in the morning and then they are on the bed ready to go at night-time and that just works really well for us

LILY: And saves you some cupboard space too, to be far

BONNIE: It saves you cupboard space, it saves me having to fold things and it also saves that backlog, like how many times have you taken old towels or old sheets off to wash but you don’t wash them straight away and so they are just kind of pile up in the laundry on the floor and then you don’t get to them for a few days or maybe a week and that is when they start to smell or it becomes a problem, if you actually have a really low number of towels, of sheets you have to wash them because you need to use them again, so it means that you don’t have that waiting period in between

LILY: It is true, I think there are definitely pros and cons to having a more minimalist approach with your magic number and with going for a little bit more a buffer room with the just in case stuff.  So that is kind of our linen cupboard, the bathroom a lot of questions around the towels.  Lets go jump into the wardrobe so what about shoes

BONNIE: Oh shoes is a very personal one, and I am going to say

LILY: A very tough one

BONNIE: And I am going to say, I am going to say this about everybody, every item that we talk about because it is personal

LILY: Broad disclaimer it is personal. 

BONNIE: Yeah totally personal

LILY: But what are some questions we should ask when we are trying to figure out our magic number and we are looking at our shoes

BONNIE: Ah how many feet do you have?

LILY: I have two

BONNIE: Good excellent okay so that is one pair of shoes, and how many days in the week are there?

LILY: There are 7

BONNIE:  Right and how many of your last 7 days have you worn the same pair of shoes

LILY: Everyday bar when I do for a walk and I wear runners

BONNIE: And so now many pairs of shoes have you actually use in the last 7 days?

LILY: Two

BONNIE: Right so I am not saying your magic number is two because we have special occasions and things like that but there is this pareto principle, the 80-20 rule that basically says 80% of our stuff we only use it 20% of the time but the 20% of our stuff the 2 pairs for example we use them 80% of the time, so that is what you want to think about when you are actually culling down to your magic number, what are my favourites that I wear constantly throughout the week, they are the ones that definitely have to stay but then maybe I can make a bit more of an allowance to say goodbye to some of the other ones. 

LILY: The 80-20 rule you heard it here

BONNIE: I love the pareto principle it is just brilliant. 

LILY: So in a previous episode Wardrobe Woes we talked about one of the ways that you can kind of figure out what you are actually wearing which will help you figure out how much clothing you actually need and that is the hanger trick, we mention it all the time because it is actually exceptionally visually practical, so if you haven’t embraced the hanging trick yet, you can find out a bit more about it by listening back to that episode but the gist of it is basically turn your hangers around the opposite way, put all your clothing back on it and as you use clothes turn the hangers around the right way and then after a set time period you will see what you actually do wear, that will help you cull down your wardrobe and figure out kind of your magic number of t-shirts, my magic number of pants, we don’t need as much as we think we need. 

BONNIE: No and if you think in terms of like how often do you go to the gym, maybe you go 5 days a week and you wash your gym clothes after every wear,  maybe you only actually need 3 sets of gym clothes if you are minimalist maybe you need the full 5 in case you have one of those weeks where you don’t get to wash until the weekend, that can help you determine your magic number in the wardrobe as well. 

LILY: How many mowing shirts do you need? How many times do you mow, you know how we like hang onto those old shirts?

BONNIE: Who has a mowing shirt?

LILY: And they will be like, my husband

BONNIE: Oh ok

LILY: That makes sense cause you have to or when he weed eats he has to have like the length so it doesn’t

BONNIE: weed eat

LILY: It is weed eating

BONNIE: I know but like

BONNIE: Whipper-snipper-ing, you know what my father-in-law

LILY: weed whacking, weed eating, wiper-snipping

BONNIE: Ok

LILY: Oh there is another one, cant think of it

BONNIE: While you are thinking on it, my father in law actually use to have like a full overall set that he would put on

LILY: Yeah, you don’t want to get that grass all over you, it is itchy

BONNIE: Yeah, but see that is one of the best things about living in Australia, is that you do it on a hot day, you do, and you have a shower or your jump in the pool afterwards and you cool off

LILY: You clearly have not done enough mowing; I get wiped with rocks

BONNIE:  Maybe you need to grow some more grass

LILY: Yeah I know we have got a bit of a dirt patch situation

BONNIE: That’s what is sounds like

LILY: Anyway, the point is sometimes you do have mowing shoes, like I have got a pair of mowing shoes, they are my old runners because I don’t want to ruin my good ones

BONNIE: But you would use them for other things beside just mowing wouldn’t you  

LILY: No

BONNIE: Well what if you need to paint  

LILY: Yeah, yes sorry true, yeah if I did like a mud run or something I would wear them because they are the old pair that need to have a reasonable amount of support

BONNIE: Do you remember they always use to ask when you went on camp for like a pair of kayaking shoes

LILY: Yes

BONNIE: And it was always like your old pair of runners that you would use,

LILY: Yeah so there is like a reason but you don’t need 10 pairs of those because back to your question of how frequently you do that, lets say you mow once a week, then you don’t need 4 pairs of those shoes, likewise you don’t need 4 pairs of old daggy shirts that are suitable for the garden or for painting or for DYI

BONNIE: Yes because

LILY: How often are you doing that, you have a washing machine unless you are using it once and then having to throw it because you are using some kind of chemical that you cant have go through your washing machine, we don’t need as many of those daggy shirts as we think that is a big one that people can cling onto

BONNIE: Oh its my around the house dress

LILY: Yeah, so like that is something to think about as well. Lets jump into a different space in the house

BONNIE: So lets jump over into the kitchen where we have our crockery, we have our glasses, we have our mugs, we have knives and forks so one of the ways we can use the magic number in the kitchen is okay how many guests am I going to have over for dinner at one time and that is something that we can use to help us decide how many plates, how many bowls, how many spoons all our cutlery, all that kind of stuff. 

LILY: And the question that then comes into play is I occasionally have people over for dinner and we end up feeding about 12 of us, but a few times a year I feel 20-30 people

BONNIE: Does that mean you should keep 30

LILY: That is the question isn’t it

BONNIE: mmm it is and the answer is a resounding No, no you do not need to keep 30 because that is an event that only happens a small amount of the time. 

LILY: So for those people Bonnie who are in that position where they do occasionally cater and they know it is something that happens a few times a year for a higher quantity of people in their home and they don’t want to have all those extra plates in their prime real estate during that time, what do they do?

BONNIE: So there is a couple of options if you really do this regularly, so say like once a month you have 30 people over for dinner, first of all do you actually have 30 places for people to be able to sit or are they just kind of wandering around with food in their hand, if you do feel like I actually need to have enough plates and cutlery and stuff for 30 people

LILY: As opposed to like canapés is that what you are saying?

BONNIE: Yeah as opposed to like finger foods, actually remove the excess from your prime real estate so have a storage space somewhere, you know under the stairs where you have got some dedicated boxes that are just for that extra cutlery, the extra plates, the extra glasses that sort of thing, you might say okay my normal set is only 8 or 10 or whatever but I need this extra set of 20 that I am going to pull out once a month for when I do these dinner parties, that’s fine

LILY: So you can think about it like having a catering box for those extra items but the important message here is that when we are looking at our prime real estate which is what we are focusing on in this example is we take the excess out so that our daily living, our daily function isn’t impinged upon by all this excess, you know it would be super frustrating to have like really heavy draws or things that are so piled high that you are having to pick up things to get to what you want to use

BONNIE: Yeah

LILY: So if that is stuff that you use and it is not stuff that needs to be decluttered because you do use it, then consider putting it out of your prime real estate area

BONNIE: Absolutely and with mugs in particular we all then to have our favourite mugs and so what is the magic number that you want to keep per person in your family, because if you are teacher in particular you get mugs galore, they just like accumulate so you might decide ok I have got five mugs that have been given to me they are kind of sentimental they don’t match my normal set that I would put out for guests and things but out of those five mugs I am going to actually say my magic number is 2 and that is what I have done, because I use to have 3 mugs that were special one of them was this cute little Winnie the pooh one that you brought me back from Paris I think

LILY: Sounds about right

BONNIE: Sounds about right

LILY Loving sister

BONNIE: Totally amazing and I really loved that and so that is one of my two that I keep, I cant even think what the other one is at the moment because everything is in storage but the third one I didn’t want to get rid of it but it wasn’t one of my favourite 2 so what did I do, I put it in the camping kit, because I didn’t have a mug in the camping kit so now when we camp and I drink a cup of tea I get that little buzz of I am using this mug that is special to me but is not quite special enough to be in the daily stuff.

LILY: So can you think of anything that would um you would need to figure out a magic number for in the office

BONNIE: You might decide a number of paperclips, you might decide the number of pens you need to have a bit of a boundary on your pens because lets face it every time we go to a seminar, to a conference, to a new job like

LILY: we just accumulate don’t we?

BONNIE: They just are a lot of pens

LILY: I can think of a photo that got shared from one of your clients because you know your clients are really happy to share their before and afters most of the time and it was all of the scissors that had been found all around the house

BONNIE: Yes

LILY: And it was amazing because your client didn’t realise they had that many scissors but when they were all taken from all the different zones and locations that they had ended up and put in one big pile they were like wow I have so many scissors and it is like what is my magic number of scissors, okay maybe I need one specifically for cutting meat in the kitchen, one for paper and then if you are someone who uses like garden type scissors

BONNIE: Or sewing scissors or if you are crafty and you like the scissors with the jagged edge and you know that was a really interesting thing for this client is she never quite found the right pair of scissor or she felt like she could never find the right pair so she kept buying and buying and buying new ones and so once we had actually all put it together and I said okay what are the key categories or scissors, kitchen scissors, craft scissors, general scissors we were actually able to go through and she goes ok like my magic number of normal scissors is I only need 2 pairs and so 10 or 12 of those normal scissors that she didn’t need got donated to a school, so it is amazing

LILY: Win win

BONNIE: Total win win, she now had only 2 pairs of scissor, she didn’t have to worry about what to do with these extra ones, they didn’t go into land fill they went to someone else who really loved and appreciated them but it meant that she had so much more space rather than having 40 pairs of scissors hanging around the house. 

LILY: So that is pretty much our wrap on the magic number, it is another tool for your tool belt, it is something that you can definitely implement when you are getting ready to go into a space and declutter, so think about stage one, the planning stage when you are setting your SMART goal, you want to figure out what is my magic number before I do in and tackle this space and hopefully it is something that helps you get on top of your stuff. 

BONNIE: So this weeks Tidy task is to take the magic number and apply it to a space that is feeling cluttered in your home, whether it is your linen cupboard and your sheets or your towels or even your face-washes or your hand towels, take that magic number and apply it to a space that is feeling a little bit cluttered and see how you go.  Post your results on our Little Home Organised Community Facebook group and let us know how you went. 

LILY: But that’s all we have time for this week, before we sign off we just want to say a huge thank you to those of you have rated and reviewed the Podcast it really does help keep it going so if you haven’t had a chance to do that yet we would absolutely love you to jump on over to Apple Podcast and give the show a rating and review.

BONNIE: And remember PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION. 

LILY: See you later

BONNIE: Bye

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